tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481997963035980408.post8985046380637153244..comments2024-03-27T17:15:44.276+00:00Comments on it's just the beer talking: Interesting ParagraphsJeff Pickthallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06343140031285101096noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481997963035980408.post-52331168658705801532008-10-21T20:32:00.000+01:002008-10-21T20:32:00.000+01:00Also true!!Also true!!The Woolpack Innhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227895265449842044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481997963035980408.post-26887882541155873362008-10-21T15:58:00.000+01:002008-10-21T15:58:00.000+01:00Fact - Most CAMRA members are middle class!Fact - Most CAMRA members are middle class!Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481997963035980408.post-48997911928129530802008-10-21T09:56:00.000+01:002008-10-21T09:56:00.000+01:00Tony Judt does seem to agree with you.After readin...Tony Judt does seem to agree with you.<BR/><BR/>After reading all the comments for and against Jeff's ideas, I think the fact remains that the impression of CAMRA that SOME people have matches Jeff's. It might be right and it might be wrong, but arguing against the fact that this is a view held by some only makes that impression worse.<BR/><BR/>Fact: Many ale drinkers are middle class.<BR/>Fact: The CAMRA impression CAN put off middle class people.The Woolpack Innhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227895265449842044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481997963035980408.post-50010054529648922222008-10-21T06:27:00.000+01:002008-10-21T06:27:00.000+01:00It is one of the inherent paradoxies of Marxism th...It is one of the inherent paradoxies of Marxism that very few proles actually give two hoots about class warfare and the overthrow of the capitalist order, rather it was middle to upper class people aggrieved that they weren't in the ruling echelons of society and so got stroppy - Lenin being a prime example. Once in power they tend to behave exactly as the very bourgeois they claimed to hate.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481997963035980408.post-76072828401915969392008-10-20T15:53:00.000+01:002008-10-20T15:53:00.000+01:00Surely there's never been any argument that Camra ...Surely there's never been any argument that Camra was a "middle class" organisation in its origin, or that many (but by no means not all) of its members today could be so catagorised. The argument is that the <B>beer</B> was a "working class" drink, isn't it? You seemed to be saying that it wasn't - or at least that it isn't now.<BR/><BR/>As for America's craft breweries, their development has been in part (arguably a large part) as a result of the work of Camra and similar organisations to protect and promote various traditional beer styles. It can't be proved that US craft brewing wouldn't have developed or been as modestly successful with them, but what is certain is that the major corporate brewers of America wouldn't have catered to the (still comparitively tiny) sector of the trade now served by the craft brewers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com